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Re: why two channels? [message #22840 is a reply to message #22828] |
Sun, 03 May 2015 13:48 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/FUDforum/theme/vk30/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](/FUDforum/theme/vk30/images/down.png) |
chicagobill
Messages: 2005 Registered: April 2003
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I know I've posted this before a long time ago, but here's a simple trick for any amp that has vibrato. Do as Jimi suggested and plug into either channel and then take a second cord from the bright input to the second channel input.
Now mix both channels one straight and one with vibrato and you have instant chorus effect.
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Re: why two channels? [message #22864 is a reply to message #22861] |
Mon, 04 May 2015 18:22 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/FUDforum/theme/vk30/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](/FUDforum/theme/vk30/images/down.png) |
Iowa Boy
Messages: 767 Registered: June 2014
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Unfortunately Pleat, we learned the hard way. Running a bass thru the same amp as the guitar player.....and it was not a bass amp.........after a short time ruined the speakers. Since no one after that would let him piggy back on to the other amps our bass player got pissed and went out and bought the first Vox Super Beatle that our band later all bought. He really showed us up in a "BIG" way. lol
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Re: why two channels? [message #22939 is a reply to message #22834] |
Thu, 21 May 2015 08:05 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/FUDforum/theme/vk30/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](/FUDforum/theme/vk30/images/down.png) |
mellotrondon
Messages: 7 Registered: May 2015 Location: Suburban Detroit
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I use a 2 channel Kustom III Lead SC amp for acoustic bass and electric guitar. I modified it for bass by installing two 3" duct tubes in the front baffle board and bolting on a solid sealed back panel. I installed some MCM heavy duty sound reinforcement woofers with 35Hz resonant frequency to compensate a bit for the small size of the cabinet. I also get a good 12 string Rhythm guitar sound with my Ric. Sure, I have a big solid state SVT rig for concert stages and large outdoor venues, but you can only use so much volume with an acoustic string bass, and the Lead SC at 130 watts RMS gives me plenty in clubs to hover just below the microphonic feedback level so any more would be a waste of weight and power for this application. I can carry the thing around by myself.
Since my pickup system consists of two contact mics., the advantages of being able to independently equalize each feed becomes obvious. The contact mics putout a low level signal so I run each one through a 7 Band Graphic EQ pedal - a special BOSS BASS Frequency EQ for the bass-bar side on the instrument (to make up for the lack of ultra-low controls on the amp) and a garden variety full-range 7 Band pedal for the sound post (treble side) mic. Since the output of the mics. is so low, without benefit of the boost from it's EQ pedal, each mic. is effectively muted. I can therefore choose which pickup I play (or both) by just tapping the foot switches.
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Re: why two channels? [message #22942 is a reply to message #22940] |
Thu, 21 May 2015 12:31 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/FUDforum/theme/vk30/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](/FUDforum/theme/vk30/images/down.png) |
chicagobill
Messages: 2005 Registered: April 2003
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Welcome to the place mellotron!
Your post also brings up another point about two channel amps, stereo guitars like your Rick. Set up one channel with a great neck pickup tone and the other channel for a great bridge pickup tone.
I once saw a guy playing a Gibson ES-355 stereo with the neck pickup going through a chorus pedal and the bridge pickup going through a fuzz. He could get some interesting sounds with that set-up.
I use a two channel amp with my Guitorgan, organ through a Leslie simulator and the guitar through a multi-effect box, each into a separate channel.
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Re: why two channels? [message #22946 is a reply to message #22945] |
Thu, 21 May 2015 22:02 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/FUDforum/theme/vk30/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](/FUDforum/theme/vk30/images/down.png) |
pinkjimiphoton
Messages: 46 Registered: May 2015 Location: the dark side of the moon
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mellotrondon wrote on Thu, 21 May 2015 18:37I just remembered a trick I did to a 250 Aluminum-face lead amp. The amp has a three band mid-range boost rotary switch and a mid band sweep knob. If the sweep knob is turned to full and then the three wires from it are jacked out the back of the amp by way of a stereo (3 conductor) phone plug, this can go to a regular volume control pedal pot and behold - you now have a pretty good wah-wah. This works best in the middle-range (second position) setting of the bandswitch IMHO. You have to have the switch in one position or the other anyway (if I remember correctly it's always in the circuit since there is no off and on means to bypass it,) so you will the knob in some position to get the tone you want, and you can just leave the floor treadle at home in that position until you go to wah. If I'm not mistaken I also did this monkey business on a K-600 PA head with similar good results. In that case, I forget which band of the EQ I jacked out, but it was in the upper midrange.
i like the way your mind works.
pretty sure you could use a no load pot (or roll your own) so at the extreme top of the expression pedal (or the bottom, depending where ya cut the track)it would be effectively bypassed. then you could set the midrange boost to where ever ya like it on the amp with the knobs and when the pedal is fully toe down the knobs on the amp will be at whatever setting you chose, and rocking back will bring in the pedal in parallel with it and allow you to sweep the filter still.
if you use a switching jack you can wire it so when the pedal isn't plugged in, the amp is wired normally but when ya plug the pedal in it switches to the pot in the pedal. i did this with my causality 4 phaser build and in bypass the phase is set to whatever the knobs are... click a switch (or do the no-load thing) and you can sweep your phaser from mild stun to overkill, its kinda cool.
you can get the right kind of jack at taydaelectronics.com i use these, you wanna insulate the jack from the chassis and float the ground, these are plastic jacks with three switches built in, and pretty durable:
http://www.taydaelectronics.com/hardware/6-35mm-1-4-plugs-ja cks/6-35mm-1-4-stereo-insulated-switched-socket-jack-solder- lugs.html
love reading how you guys do things. that midrange sweep trick is hip ![Wink](images/smiley_icons/icon_wink.gif)
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Re: why two channels? [message #22949 is a reply to message #22948] |
Fri, 22 May 2015 01:48 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/FUDforum/theme/vk30/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](/FUDforum/theme/vk30/images/down.png) |
mellotrondon
Messages: 7 Registered: May 2015 Location: Suburban Detroit
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I looked for some Cool Cat Chorus pedals and saw they were discontinued, but some new stock was still available for $56.00 or so but a Danelectro plastic-cased chorus was going for $15.00 believe it or not, and had all good ratings so I bought one. I'll keep you posted on my progress building the "helicopter" as soon as I get the Danelectro "D5 Fab Chorus" and have a chance to play with it.
Some people giving reviews stated that it was as good as a lot of $60-$80 pedals and for a fairly "dorky effect" (they called it!) why bother spending a lot of money? The only reason why chorus might be perceived as boring or over-used is because as stock pedals simply turn on or off - there is nothing dynamic about the effect - no suspense of the speeding and slowing under the control of the player or the low speed drag of an idling rotor.
I have a good feeling about this chorus pedal. It has three knobs and both jacks coming out the front. The jacks look like they sit below the main board but on my pedal housing they'll come out the sides.
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Re: why two channels? [message #22952 is a reply to message #22951] |
Fri, 22 May 2015 13:15 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/FUDforum/theme/vk30/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](/FUDforum/theme/vk30/images/down.png) |
pinkjimiphoton
Messages: 46 Registered: May 2015 Location: the dark side of the moon
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mellotrondon wrote on Fri, 22 May 2015 12:28My whole idea is an effective Leslie simulator. That's why the chorus is my effect of choice. I have a Leslie simulator with rotor brake as well as the B3 chorus vibratos built into the Hammond XK3c/3 that I normally use with the big SVT-CS800 tri-amped system, but I want a Leslie pedal for guitar and also for any organ effects I may use on the Casio Workstation which is my second live keyboard. I'll usually be using it with a Jaguar or the Ric 12 or my other Murph 12 string, so I'm not really worried about pickup overload. If I use my Tri-OD to boost the guitar output signal for a bit of edge, it will be after the chorus pedal in the signal chain.
right on, pink approves hardcore with modulation before overdrive!! i love a phaser first after my first fuzzface... face has to be first for my particular style. but man... anytime you make the swirly stuff distorted, it opens up whole other worlds of harmonics. love it.
i'm still not sure which chorus you have... if it IS the mini, even lower gain pickups seem to make a "click" on the attack so ya may wanna consider adding a really small resistance in line with the input signal to pad it down just a touch. i'm no mathmagician, so i'd have to experiment, but i bet anywhere from 10 to 100k should work without disturbing the tone or the volume too much.
but it could be a fluke, the ones i had all seemed to do that. i like paf's, so usually never more than 8 or 9 k... too hot and it gets too muddy. well, for me at least. i'm one of them weirdos that turns off most of the bass and cranks the amp a bit harder. ![Wink](images/smiley_icons/icon_wink.gif)
but with distortion after it, it may well mask that click when you play something dynamic. playing soft it seems fine.
you know you got it when it makes ya feel good ![Wink](images/smiley_icons/icon_wink.gif)
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Re: why two channels? [message #22953 is a reply to message #22828] |
Fri, 22 May 2015 13:20 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/FUDforum/theme/vk30/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](/FUDforum/theme/vk30/images/down.png) |
chicagobill
Messages: 2005 Registered: April 2003
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I've got a Polytone Leslie simulator pedal. Sounds pretty good and it has a built in ramp up and down speed control, so it sounds like the rotor is changing speeds slowly not jumping from fast to slow.
Unfortunately I removed the foot pedal from my old Univibe and mounted the control on the panel. Thought that it worked better that way as a Chorus. Hey, it was the '70s. It was just an old effects box.
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Re: why two channels? [message #22979 is a reply to message #22828] |
Tue, 26 May 2015 00:03 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/FUDforum/theme/vk30/images/up.png) |
pinkjimiphoton
Messages: 46 Registered: May 2015 Location: the dark side of the moon
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the 150 pumps about the same level as a fender twin reverb, but it stays tight at higher volumes. kinda ugly at clipping , but to reproduce your sound and your effects, they're hard to beat.
i had a kid over my house, maybe 23 or so the other day, i had to fix his amp for him. he wanted to try one of my firebirds so i plugged him in my kustom.
he sneered, oh mman, don't ya have something better i can play thru?
i'm like, shut the f@N< up and play your guitar.... put him into a dynacomp feeding a 12 stage phaser with remote speed control and then ran that into an old roland rack preamp. gl50 line driver maybe? i forget.
ran the roland to both sides of the kustom, dialed it in, then jumped one side to my echoplex into one channel of an old shin ei tuck n roll aand the other to it's reverb tremolo side.
kid just about freaked when he heard it. he's a believer now
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