K-50 2 Back Panel Dimensions NEEDED [message #19649] |
Thu, 21 November 2013 15:45 |
johnnyangel69
Messages: 20 Registered: September 2011
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Hello Kustom Kats!
I just recently purchased a tuck and roll SC K-50-2 amplifier and it is missing the back panel. Can anybody here supply me with dimensions and proper cutouts for the back panel of a K-50 amp? I would be very grateful...
Thanks!
Johnny
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Re: K-50 2 Back Panel Dimensions NEEDED [message #19676 is a reply to message #19670] |
Tue, 26 November 2013 18:53 |
johnnyangel69
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Thanks a lot for your reply. I do realize that my post may have confounded some with the same logic that you have used. Yes, I do (or will once the amp arrives) have the dimensions basically outlined by the amp cab itself. The K-50 back panels that I have seen do have 2 rectangular vents with rounded edges so I was hoping to have some dimensions on those (how far in from the sides and top and each other along with the basic measurements of the vents themselves). I have looked up the Zodiac Naugahyde and it appears that there are many places that sell the different colors so refinishing that panel should be easy enough. I would like to get this amp as true to original as possible. I believe the tuck and roll on the amp is near perfect and I'm glad the back panels don't have any tuck and roll padding on them as that would be very difficult to duplicate.
Anyway, I do thank you again for your reply and I will update my progress once I get this project going.
Oh! If anyone can supply me with those vent dimensions that would be fantastic!
Cheers!
Johnny
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Re: K-50 2 Back Panel Dimensions NEEDED [message #19702 is a reply to message #19676] |
Sun, 08 December 2013 02:19 |
johnnyangel69
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Here are some pics of my Kustom K50 as I just received it a few days ago. It is a very cool amp with nice reverb and the trem/vibrato feature is very strong and musical. As you can see, the back panel is gone. I figure I will get started working on the back panel for it sometime this week. I will judge the oval cutouts by looking at pics of other K50 amps. I have a Kasino 4x8" speaker column that I bought years ago as a "parts" cab for speakers in case any die out in my Kasino Concert PA. The back of the column has TWO oval rings that I may end up using for the back of this K50 amp so that it will look original. I will be ordering some white/silver sparkle naugahyde and I hope to update the progress here.
Regarding speakers in the K50, I have read that the K50 mainly used Jensens, but mine has a 16ohm KEI 12" speaker. I have also read that some K50 models used either 8ohm or 16ohm speakers. Does anyone have any information on why Kustom would use different ohms ratings for the same amp? Does an 8ohm sound different from a 16ohm in a K50 (louder, softer, more/less power)? Can an 8ohm speaker be substituted for the 16ohm if needed? I am guessing not as I thought that you aren't supposed to go "down" in speaker ohms rating...? Any thoughts or info appreciated.
Also, my K50 came with a red jewel light but I ordered a purple one as I have a K100 white sparkle bass amp with the purple jewel and the Kasino Concert PA that I have has one as well. I am certainly accustomed to seeing purple jewel lights on the vintage Kustoms. I have read on the forum here that some of the earlier amps may have used red jewel lights too. Normally, I like to keep my gear as original as possible, but I had to get a purple jewel for the K50...red seemed wrong! haha!
And, a final note and mention here for the new Kustom K200 Wineburst guitar that I just received today. Wow! What a beautiful instrument! I'm still in awe! Super slinky thin neck...gotta get used to that, but this baby does play nice. The pickups in this one look a bit different from most of the others that I have seen. The DeArmond Dynasonics that have the magnet dots as well as the adjustable pole pieces would have been my preference, but these pickups just have the adjustable pole pieces. The research that I've done shows the alternate pickups used in the later model K200s as NOT having adjustable pole pieces (or so I thought...perhaps I'll have to check again on that). Does anyone have any other info regarding these pickups? I do hope that they are original as stated by the buyer. They sure look the part. Anyway, I'm happy with this "wineburst" beauty and it also came with the red lined hard case with the KUSTOM by Bud Ross plaque affixed to it. I had never seen a KUSTOM K200 in person before, but sure am glad to have this beauty here with me now!
Longest post ever....
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Re: K-50 2 Back Panel Dimensions NEEDED [message #19704 is a reply to message #19703] |
Sun, 08 December 2013 07:38 |
pleat
Messages: 1454 Registered: June 2004 Location: Belding, Mi
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The K50, will give you the full 25 watts rms output with a 8 ohm speaker. I agree with KustomBart, that the KEI 16 ohm speaker in your amp may be a factory replacement since Kustoms had the lifetime gaurantee on speakers. I use the K50 as my main amp, and I've tried JBL, EV, Celestion, Eminence, and always go back the the Jensen C12N. Regardless of brands, just be sure to use an 8 ohm speaker.
The back vent plates are the same as found on your Kasino PA columns.
Nice looking K200A guitar, but I'd say the pickups are not original to the guitar, in repect that the K200A models used the adjustable pole piece. The pickups in your guitar are the model that the K200B and K200C models used. The other odd thing I noticed is the bridge has the slanted ends which would be found on the earliest models. Later models the bridge ends were straight.
I was working at a music store in the60's and 70's and remember when Kustom was closing out the guitar line. We bought 7 of the K200A guitars in wineburst and some had odditys. I just figured that kustom was using up all existing parts to complete a guitar.
pleat
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Re: K-50 2 Back Panel Dimensions NEEDED [message #19706 is a reply to message #19704] |
Sun, 08 December 2013 10:57 |
johnnyangel69
Messages: 20 Registered: September 2011
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pleat wrote on Sun, 08 December 2013 07:38The K50, will give you the full 25 watts rms output with a 8 ohm speaker. I agree with KustomBart, that the KEI 16 ohm speaker in your amp may be a factory replacement since Kustoms had the lifetime gaurantee on speakers. I use the K50 as my main amp, and I've tried JBL, EV, Celestion, Eminence, and always go back the the Jensen C12N. Regardless of brands, just be sure to use an 8 ohm speaker.
The back vent plates are the same as found on your Kasino PA columns.
Nice looking K200A guitar, but I'd say the pickups are not original to the guitar, in repect that the K200A models used the adjustable pole piece. The pickups in your guitar are the model that the K200B and K200C models used. The other odd thing I noticed is the bridge has the slanted ends which would be found on the earliest models. Later models the bridge ends were straight.
I was working at a music store in the60's and 70's and remember when Kustom was closing out the guitar line. We bought 7 of the K200A guitars in wineburst and some had odditys. I just figured that kustom was using up all existing parts to complete a guitar.
pleat
Thank you for the information pleat! It is much appreciated. You guys are amazing and really making this forum a great resource for information and assistance! I would like to thank Kustom_Bart and braud357 for their input as well. braud357 has a couple vents he is going to send to me! I am excited to get this amp back to original (semi-original) status!
In response to the K200 guitar, yes, it seems that everything is pointing towards this being the earlier version K200A model (the 4 dot fret markers, the slant bridge and the Bigsby). I suppose this may have been an early model that just fell somewhat behind the line of receiving the K200A pickups. I do wish this had them, but all in all it is a small caveat as this instrument is in VERY NICE condition otherwise. Incidentally, the serial number is 2580. Is there a date reference or guide to this number?
And here's a closer look at those pickups.
I am curious to peek under the hood to see if there may be a date code on the pickups or the tell-tale Rowe or Dearmond stamp/sticker...but, haven't done so yet. If they are not original to this guitar, they had better be vintage for the price I paid! Oh well, again, I really can't complain, but for future value and peace of mind it would be nice to know.
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Re: K-50 2 Back Panel Dimensions NEEDED [message #19707 is a reply to message #19704] |
Sun, 08 December 2013 11:04 |
johnnyangel69
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pleat wrote on Sun, 08 December 2013 07:38The K50, will give you the full 25 watts rms output with a 8 ohm speaker. I agree with KustomBart, that the KEI 16 ohm speaker in your amp may be a factory replacement since Kustoms had the lifetime gaurantee on speakers. I use the K50 as my main amp, and I've tried JBL, EV, Celestion, Eminence, and always go back the the Jensen C12N. Regardless of brands, just be sure to use an 8 ohm speaker.
The back vent plates are the same as found on your Kasino PA columns.
Nice looking K200A guitar, but I'd say the pickups are not original to the guitar, in repect that the K200A models used the adjustable pole piece. The pickups in your guitar are the model that the K200B and K200C models used. The other odd thing I noticed is the bridge has the slanted ends which would be found on the earliest models. Later models the bridge ends were straight.
I was working at a music store in the60's and 70's and remember when Kustom was closing out the guitar line. We bought 7 of the K200A guitars in wineburst and some had odditys. I just figured that kustom was using up all existing parts to complete a guitar.
pleat
Thanks for the info! I am currently looking for a Jensen C12N...and of course extra points if it has a chrome dust cover! I do happen to have a 12" 8ohm Eminence (with chrome dust cap cover!!!) that I pulled from a vintage Jordan amp (also 1960's-1970's solid state amp). I am going to swap out with this KEI 16ohm to see/hear the difference. I think this speaker has a 1976 manufacture date...all the same, if it gives the amp more power and sounds and looks the part I'll use it.
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