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K100 tone [message #22073] Sun, 11 January 2015 09:55 Go to next message
sikrogh is currently offline  sikrogh
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Hey gang,
I want to say first that I am a guitar player, but I don't pretend for a second to be a " perfect tone" expert. I guess I like what I like and I have never been on some quest to find "that tone"....
I bought a near mint Kustom k100-2 head and cab years ago based only on the cool looks! It still looks great in the guitar room. The cab has Jensen speakers. I replaced the chord with a three prong but other then that it is stock.
I hardly ever play the amp. I want to play it, I really do, but every time I plug in and fire it up, I can't take the tone. This amp has an extreme amount of treble. Even with the treble rolled all the way back, it seems to have too much treble.
I was bored the other night and decided to plug a vht special 6 head into the cab. I normally plug that little guy into an old peavey bandit 1x12 cab with a Sheffield speaker and consider it on the dark side but usable.
Anyway, I plug it into the kustom cab and guess what, too much treble!
Is that suppose to be the characteristics of theses cabs? I really expected more low end from the cab with the vht. Does anyone else consider these amps and cabs to be strong on the treble side of things? Is that the tone that should be expected with the Jensens? How would the experts on this board describe the tone characteristics of a K100?
Side note. If I ever find a small Kustom pa in sparkly blue, that sucker is going in the guitar room as well! Love that look.
Thanks everyone

DK
Re: K100 tone [message #22074 is a reply to message #22073] Sun, 11 January 2015 15:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
stevem is currently offline  stevem
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Hello, you do know that there is a dark and brite input on that amp right, the two inputs are not like for instance a Fender amp where the number 2 input is the same tone but 3 db down in signal level?
Those Jensen drivers are brite all on there own and it would not hurt to pull them from the cabinet and break them in on about 6 volts of ac from a wall wart type power supply for about 16 hours as this will bring the low end up a bunch!
Re: K100 tone [message #22075 is a reply to message #22074] Sun, 11 January 2015 17:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
sikrogh is currently offline  sikrogh
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Thanks for the reply. I did not know that about this amp. I am going to play around with it tonight.
It could be me. As I said, I don't pretend to even know what good tone is in an amp!
As far as your tip on the speakers, sounds like a good way for me to screw up and ruin them! I also don't pretend to be
That great at tweaking things. At 50 years old, you would certainly think I would know much more about amps.

Thanks again

DK
Re: K100 tone [message #22076 is a reply to message #22073] Sun, 11 January 2015 19:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
riverboat is currently offline  riverboat
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Hi DK. Welcone aboard.
On most amps the first input is a little hotter and the second one is quieter, but on Kustoms the high input means "high frequency" not "high volume" so when you plug into the high input on your K100-2 you get no bottom end. I have never tried the trick that stevem has suggested but I would trust his advice. If you read some of his posts on this website you will see that he is one of the Kustom Gurus. I have the same amp but I,m using a 2x15 cab. I have the bass knob @ 4:00 and the treble @ 8:00. I use it for both guitar and bass.You should sit down with the amp and some speaker cabinets and spend some time experimenting. By the way the tremelo and reverb are amazing! Good luck and have fun, Keith
Re: K100 tone [message #22077 is a reply to message #22073] Sun, 11 January 2015 20:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Iowa Boy is currently offline  Iowa Boy
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I think that maybe that is the signature trade mark of Kustom. I had the same issues with all my amp heads as well. Even though I play bass and not guitar anymore, the sound is a little on the brassy side to my liking. Speakers do seem to make a difference. I am not nor ever have been a big fan of Jensen's. Eminence makes some excellent speakers and are reasonably priced. The old JBL's might be a good choice for you as well if your willing to spend the money. The other guys on this site will steer you in the right direction.

Your amp might have some issues as well considering the age and all. Stevem, Pleat of Chicagobill will be able to help you out there.

Just throwing this out there.....when was the last time you changed your guitar strings. I remember back in the old days that my guitar would sound twangy after a while if I put in a lot of playing time. And cheap strings are just that......sound cheap, snap, and your better off springing for the good one's. Definite difference in sound quality. Read on a website somewhere that it was recommended that you change strings before every gig.......to me, I think that is excessive and expensive to say the least.......unless your Eddie Van Halen.

Welcome to the site as well.

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Re: K100 tone [message #22078 is a reply to message #22073] Mon, 12 January 2015 07:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
stevem is currently offline  stevem
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You could always as a last resort use that good old tone control that most guitars come with to back down on the treble,lol!
Also if you have never had your guitar set up youmight want to try adjusting the pick height as if they are too low the axe will be on the brite side with reduced low end responce, you can look on line and find the suggested height for your type of pickups off of the string!

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Re: K100 tone [message #22079 is a reply to message #22073] Mon, 12 January 2015 11:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
zedsalt is currently offline  zedsalt
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Just a quick note on new strings vs. "dead" ones...seeing EVH's name brought it to mind. I used to dread changing strings. There was always that seemingly-interminably-long span of time when the tone was harsh; they wouldn't even hold tune through an entire song (I'm not a particularly gentle player), and if a string was going to break sometime before it had become rusty and pitted, it was during that "breaking in" period (I change tunings constantly, a nerve-wracking experience when one's expecting a string to snap). Then, I read an interview with Eddie Van Halen wherein he said he always boils his strings to assure they're "dead" before installation. I tried it, and it was an epiphany. Six strings (regular or Nashville strung) or twelve for acoustic or electric, mandolin, dulcimer, tenor banjo, banjolele...the only strings I don't boil are bass and, of course, classical (nylon) guitar. The tone's exactly, consistently what I want, and I can crank 'em from several steps below standard tuning to a step and a half above and back, then beat the bejeebers out of 'em without incident.
Re: K100 tone [message #22220 is a reply to message #22079] Fri, 23 January 2015 22:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kustom_Bart is currently offline  Kustom_Bart
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Zedsalt I am the king of the strangle hold on a guitar neck, the guys here that have seen me man handle and abuse a guitar joke about it. I don't use any tricks or anything, boiling or anything like that, but I am not a drop tuner or anything like that I play in 440 all the time and just beat a guitar and stretch/bend strings without mercy....lol! Take that you darn strings!... I do love the DR coated strings and they will make your guitar hold tune and sound a bunch better too, I have had nothing but great luck with them and I have had a set on a guitar for 2 years now and they still aren't dead. They just don't collect the skin and dirt like un coated ones do.

As far as the K100-2 once you plug into the other jack, put a processor in front of it and you will find you can make it do anything you want it to do. The K100 will be all you would ever need to gig anywhere.
Re: K100 tone [message #22360 is a reply to message #22220] Thu, 05 February 2015 01:21 Go to previous message
BrianBB is currently offline  BrianBB
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DK,
I have the exact amp, K100-2 with Jensen cabinet and it sounds just as you describe. Here's the problem, as pleat explained it to me. The K200s and K100-1 have both a normal and bright channel. The K100-2 has only a bright channel on the left side and reverb and tremolo controls on the right side, hence the high treble, low bass output. I plugged my K100-2 head into a CTS cabinet and it helped tremendously.
Brian
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