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K25-2 [message #18295] Thu, 28 February 2013 12:48 Go to next message
Woolsocks is currently offline  Woolsocks
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I just picked up a 1970 k25 Mostly working but needs a little help amp. I was wondering if anybody had a schematic and/or parts list. And if you have any helpful sites to check out this is my first solid state amp and first Kustom.
Re: K25-2 [message #18296 is a reply to message #18295] Thu, 28 February 2013 14:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Very nice grab! The K25 and K50 are the best sounding little amps that you will find. you can gig with them with a processor pedal in front of them and keep up with about anything. They are a great lil amp and only weigh 46lbs too. Let me look and see if I have any schematics for a K25. I know I have them for a K50 and Challenger, but not sure about the K25. I will look. Shoot me a PM with your e-mail address I did find them, I will e-mail them to you.

What kind of problems are you having with it?

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Re: K25-2 [message #18297 is a reply to message #18296] Thu, 28 February 2013 16:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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e-mail sent!

Welcome to the site Smile
Re: K25-2 [message #18502 is a reply to message #18295] Sun, 24 March 2013 19:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thank you for your help with the schematic. So i have had so time with this amp. I have replaced the speaker to a jenson mod 50. this made alot of difference and replaced to cord to a three prong cord. The sound is still ruff, a friend described it as short,fuzzy ,and no sustain. I was going to start by replacing the capsbut i have only found these has obsolete materials. any ideas where to find them or other ideas of what my problem might be?
Re: K25-2 [message #18504 is a reply to message #18295] Mon, 25 March 2013 12:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
chicagobill
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Your description of "short, fuzzy and no sustain" sounds like it could be a power amp problem.

What sort of skill set do you have and what sort of test equipment do you have access to?
Re: K25-2 [message #18506 is a reply to message #18504] Mon, 25 March 2013 15:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Woolsocks is currently offline  Woolsocks
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I am a novice, I have built a couple of pedals from byoc and two electric guitars by myself and built a fender tweed two stroke w/ help from a friend. I am ok at reading scematics. but I am very over cautious when inside the chassis, I drain twice and test twice. tools wise: multi meter, soldering iron, many many hand tools.
Re: K25-2 [message #18508 is a reply to message #18295] Mon, 25 March 2013 18:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The first thing you can do is leave the amp on for 5 to 6 hours, as this may help the caps reform themselves if the are not too far gone.
In these amps the only sourse of a electric shock that can harm/kill you is the a/c volatge into the PT and out to the rectifier bridge and then that gets split in to two 40 volt rails that feed off of each main filter can.
This voltage at the cans is a good first place to check out things with the power supply.
If you place your voltmeter across the sprapped center connection points on the cans, and then to each out side can terminal you should read a + 38 to 41 volts DC, and the other way a _ DC voltage in the same range.
Also I see you are in CT, would that be in the eastern side of the state, like the Danbury rt84 end by any chance?

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Re: K25-2 [message #18526 is a reply to message #18295] Tue, 26 March 2013 16:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In regarts to leaving it on. Does this have to do with a certain type of cap? the age?. or just caps in general?
Re: K25-2 [message #18527 is a reply to message #18295] Tue, 26 March 2013 17:09 Go to previous message
chicagobill
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When electrolytic capacitors age, they essentially start to dry out. These types of caps can have their electrolyte reformed by heat or by an application of voltage in a series of timed applications. Reforming the electrolyte can make an old cap work like new.

That being said, if the amp has been turned on regularly during its lifetime, there probably is no need to try and reform the caps.

I'd suggest that you start as Steve said by testing power supply voltages. Kustom schematics are covered with typical voltages marked at different points in the circuit. Compare the voltage readings that you get in your amp with those listed on the schematic. I would pay particular attention to the bias voltages on the output transistors.

If you haven't worked on an amp with a live chassis before, please be certain to take all of the safety precautions available to you before you start. Never try and do more than you are capable of. If you have a friend with more experience, see if they can help you. Just be aware at all times that there are voltages in there that can hurt or kill you.

And remember that a slip of your meter probe can cause a short circuit that can do major damage to the amp. So work slowly and carefully. And be sure to unplug the amp as soon as you have finished taking the voltage readings. Don't just turn off the switch, pull the plug.
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