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adding an Effects Loop [message #20725] Wed, 04 June 2014 18:56 Go to next message
smackoj is currently offline  smackoj
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hi; I searched the forum but did not find an actual thread describing how to add an effects loop to a K200 head. I did find a reference from back around yr 2000 talking about someone getting advice on how to do it, but just found the one paragraph.

has anyone added an effects loop to a Kustom head? Can someone talk me through how to do it or send me to a web link or a ???

thanks, jack
Re: adding an Effects Loop [message #20729 is a reply to message #20725] Thu, 05 June 2014 06:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well depending on the head you have in regards to how many channels it has number one, and number two how many you use as in free channels, you could do this.
Pull the send signal off of the RCA jack on the rear in regards to the K200b model and pump it back into another channel from the out of your out board effects.
This RCA jack will output up to 3 volts and should be more than enough signal if your out board effects has guitar input level gain on hand.

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Re: adding an Effects Loop [message #20731 is a reply to message #20729] Fri, 06 June 2014 05:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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steve; hi. I am not sure if I am following your suggestion? I have a K200B model with 2 channels. I use the reverb ch. and the other channel is not hooked up because it's too noisy.

jack d
Re: adding an Effects Loop [message #20732 is a reply to message #20725] Fri, 06 June 2014 06:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If you could use that other channel than all you would be doing is to take the send signal you need off of the RCA jack, and then sending then effects output signal back into that channel.
There is another way to get this done but you need to make a mod to the amps 703 board and to tell you what to do I need to know what type of effects you will use in this loop?

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Re: adding an Effects Loop [message #20733 is a reply to message #20732] Fri, 06 June 2014 17:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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hi steve; ok, I'm getting the picture better. thanks. I would be adding some type of modulation like digital reverb or tremolo, phase shift or a type of chorus. I don't use a lot of those effects and the little I do use is just adding a small amount, never a lot. I do play around with a number of different OD pedals but I only use one at a time and mostly as a booster/preamp. The OD would always be in the chain from my guitar to the input of the amp. I have recently built an optical compressor and love the effect but I use that in the signal chain also between the guitar and the amp, usually before the OD pedal.

gracias amigo
Re: adding an Effects Loop [message #20734 is a reply to message #20725] Sat, 07 June 2014 06:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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One big thing to keep in mind with these amps made before the metal face ones is the fact that much over 1 volt of input signal will pop the first transistor in the preamp section.
To be safe on this ,whatever the loudness is set to on the amp straight in, is the max volume should be giving from a preamp boost pedal being kicked on.
So for clean backing volume levels you will just back down on the volume from the guitar itself!

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Re: adding an Effects Loop [message #20735 is a reply to message #20734] Sat, 07 June 2014 09:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ok; I don't pop OD or comressors in and out with a stomp swt. they are always on or always off so shouldn't have a problem overloading the first trans. That's good to know though.

So, on the effects loop, if I get the 2nd channel operating without noise, I can take the signal off the RCA jack, thru whatever effect and then back in channel 2? Then the volume and eq on ch. 2 would be used before output thru the power amp section. Ia that correct signal chain?

thx, jack d
Re: adding an Effects Loop [message #20737 is a reply to message #20725] Mon, 09 June 2014 06:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes that's how the effects signal chain would work.
Re: adding an Effects Loop [message #20738 is a reply to message #20737] Mon, 09 June 2014 06:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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thanks steve; I don't remember exactly what was going on with Ch. 2 so I'll have to hook it back up and run a sound check. I'll try to get to that later today.

adios for now, jack
Re: adding an Effects Loop [message #20740 is a reply to message #20725] Mon, 09 June 2014 17:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Remember that if you do this the effect will be in a parallel circuit, meaning that the straight signal will also be heard at the same time as the effect.
Re: adding an Effects Loop [message #20741 is a reply to message #20740] Tue, 10 June 2014 09:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ok bill, I wondered about some type of 'negative' by doing the rca jack out, thru pedal(s) and back into channel 2. Can channel 1 be modded to make it an off, or on or on with a pot to adjust amount of wet signal added back into the mix?

thanks
Re: adding an Effects Loop [message #20742 is a reply to message #20725] Tue, 10 June 2014 10:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If you turn down channel 1 then there is no signal at the RCA jack to send to the FX pedal.

While anything is possible, you have to ask how practical it is to do it.
Re: adding an Effects Loop [message #20743 is a reply to message #20725] Wed, 11 June 2014 06:49 Go to previous message
stevem is currently offline  stevem
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One thing you can try is this.
The two blue wires that enter the left side of the pc703 board mounted on the rear wall of the amp are the audio outputs of each channel / preamp.
If you unsolder the blue wire from your good channel, extend it and place a 1/4" jack on it and a ground connection you can than feed your effect pedals.
If you than do the same thing / adding a wire and 1/4" jack to where you unsoldered the blue wire than that will be the effect return cable.
The only question I have is if your effect pedals will load down the preamp out signal too much.
If it works out for you than you can drill the chassis and install a tip, ring, sleeve 1/4" female jack on the back of the amp and than make up one cable from a 3 conductor mic cable to have both the send and return wires in that same cable.
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