| Kustom Tuck and Roll 2x12 replacement speakers.. [message #16822] |
Mon, 26 March 2012 15:05  |
Anodizer
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Hi gents! New here to this forum... I bought a 2x12 Tuck and Roll cab a few months ago.. While it is the original Jensen speakers, they are not impressive.. How to these Tuck and Roll cabs respond to a set of Celestion Vintage 30's? The style of music I play is similar to Ozzy era Black Sabbath.. The Cab looks great! I just want it to sound great too!! Yes, I am willing to spend the money on Vintage 30's, however if someone knows something better that is less expensive, I'm all ears!!
Thanks!!
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| Re: Kustom Tuck and Roll 2x12 replacement speakers.. [message #16823 is a reply to message #16822] |
Mon, 26 March 2012 17:02  |
pleat
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Registered: June 2004
Location: Belding, Mi
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Welcome to the site. As far as tone, I guess we'd need to know what brand of amp you are driving the cabinet with. Your cab is an 8 ohm cab, so there may be some impedence issues, if your amp is designed to run a 4 ohm load. If your amp is a 4 ohm, then I'd replace the speakers with 8 ohm speakers wired in parallel for a 4 ohm total load, and get the brand you like. I have three Kustom K50 amps, one is loaded with the Jensen C12n, another amp is loaded with a Celestion Rocket 50, and my third amp is loaded with an Eminence. Of all three amps, I prefer the Jensen. Each brand has some plus's but overall tone for the style I play the Jensen sounds the best to me.
pleat
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| Re: Kustom Tuck and Roll 2x12 replacement speakers.. [message #16827 is a reply to message #16822] |
Tue, 27 March 2012 01:21 |
Anodizer
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Jet City JCA22H, Orange Dual Terror, Hughes and Kettner Cream Machine.. All amps have 8ohm and 16ohm output.. Obviously, the Tuck and Roll is an 8 ohm cab..
The cab has the original Jensens, they sound fine but not as good as some 2x12 cabs that have Vintage 30's or something similar that I have heard.. Not enough low end.. Not enough punch.. I have tried all 3 of these amps with other cabs(friends, stores, etc) that have V30's, G12t-75s, Green Backs.. They sound great.. Totally the sound I'm, looking for..
Would this Tuck and Roll cab sound good with something like a Vintage 30? Or maybe even just replacing one speaker...?
Again, I play heavier music that is Black Sabbath based..
[Updated on: Tue, 27 March 2012 02:27] Report message to a moderator |
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| Re: Kustom Tuck and Roll 2x12 replacement speakers.. [message #16829 is a reply to message #16822] |
Tue, 27 March 2012 06:45 |
stevem
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Registered: June 2004
Location: NY
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First off hello, but I have a question, is your 2-12" cab a vintage one with port tubes, or not?
A vintage one with its stock Jensens(C12N model driver) if still in the cab should sound pretty good, but I have seen some with and with out doping on the surround and these do lack bass unless they have been played alot and at a good enough volume to break them in.
Jensen C12Ns do have a mid cut to them and more top end than any Celestion model driver.
The Eminence Governor model driver is better than the now Chiness made Vin 30 model, and alot cheaper and has more of the mid bark you are looking for along with big bass.
If your T&R cabinet does not have ports them you have one of cabs from the TR50 serise of amps that the NEW Kustom company put out in 2000 to 2001.
The Jensen drives fitted to the 2000 to 2001 cabs are of the Mod serise and are not rated for as high a SPL level as the C12N, or any Celestion which would acount for there lack of punch, no less bass responce.
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| Re: Kustom Tuck and Roll 2x12 replacement speakers.. [message #16832 is a reply to message #16831] |
Tue, 27 March 2012 13:47 |
Kustom_Bart
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Registered: October 2010
Location: Greenville, MichiGUN
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Say it with pic's and let us see what you have with the cab open etc. Those cabs sound great. There has to be something not right to make it not sound good. To me any of that Orange stuff or Mesa stuff is muddy to me and it all runs on tube heads too, that is a huge difference. However I can take my tube head and make a vintage Kustom 2 x 2 or even 2 x 15 cab and make it break up and just rock. I guess it depends on a lot of things. What are you using for a head? Does the cab have insulation in it? what does the head want for ohms, what is the cab for ohms? lots of variables here. Get us some pics and some info on what you are trying to drive it with and we can go from there.
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| Re: Kustom Tuck and Roll 2x12 replacement speakers.. [message #16841 is a reply to message #16822] |
Wed, 28 March 2012 06:59 |
stevem
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My first good bass amp was a K100 with 2-12s, and it was punchy and loud for 50 watts rms, so its not the cabinet, in fact the port tubes should make it have more bottom and punch than a closed back/sealed cabinet.
Sealed cabinets beam more and have more mids and a cut in lows.
The key to getting a driver to work really good in a ported cab is to load it with a driver that is looking for the added inaternal cab volume that having the ports tubes simulates, this is a factor out of many as to how a driver is speced call VAS, so it will be found in a drivers spec sheet.
If you compare two drivers, one with a freer cone, the one with the freer cone will put out more bass, as its moving more air with less wattage.
this lets you cut back on the bass output of the amp which helps the amp stay cleaner at a higher volume which our ear translates into more punch!
The only problem is with a driver like this the cone at some givin volume/wattage level will lose control and sound like mud!
Most new speakers need to be broken in to get the low end up to its intended level, and you can aid this by powering the speakers with a Variac, and Weber speakers has a calculator to help you figure out how many volts to pump into them.
It could just be that your Jensen drivers( if the are original) do not have enough play time on them to be broken in?
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| Re: Kustom Tuck and Roll 2x12 replacement speakers.. [message #16900 is a reply to message #16865] |
Wed, 11 April 2012 01:15 |
Anodizer
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I like the look of the Kustom Cab.. Only cost me $100 bucks, so adding another hundred or two in speakers isn't going to bother me.. I just would like input on whether it will make a significant difference in the sound I'm looking for.. If the cab is limited by its construction and will pretty much sound the same with any other set of speakers, then I'd like to know that too. Was specifically looking for anyone who had this cab that changed the speakers out to something like or similar to V30 or WSG's Veteran 30 and how they felt about the results..
I play mostly things that sound similar to Black Sabbath(Fu Manchu, Orange Goblin, High on Fire, Sleep, Acid King,
Electric Wizard, etc.).. If you are familiar with these bands then you are familiar what kind of sound I'm looking for.. I've heard other 2x12 ported cabs that sound awesome to me.. Hopefully, I can do the same with this Kustom cab..
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| Re: Kustom Tuck and Roll 2x12 replacement speakers.. [message #16934 is a reply to message #16933] |
Thu, 19 April 2012 18:49 |
cassent5150
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Anodizer, I know how you feel. Got this cool cabinet and want it to sound a certain way. The guys on here are very educated in all aspects of how this stuff works and way over my head on a lot of it. I have a working knowledge of 20 yrs plus of using these kustoms in bands and not always with a Kustom head. My first was a Traynor head on a Kustom T&R cab. My feeling as a musician on this is as long as you have those Celestions wired in phase with each other, your going to get plenty of bottom out of it as well as that breakover into distortion your looking for. If your like me and a lot of players I know. The amp will get most of the distortion going for you and to have the speaker add a little more just puts this icing on the cake. I've used the celestions in a few of my Kustoms. I have a 2X12 with the vintage series G100-12T Celestions. They sound fantastic but, its like stevem was saying earlier. Don't be fooled by the first hour or two of using them. They will be bright, tight and kind of coarse sounding till you get them broke in and loosened up. They will smooth out and the bottom will fill right in nicely, just give it time. If I remember right I used a delay pedal I have with a loop. I looped the first part of AC-DC's Back in Black on it with a couple humbuckers at minimal volume. I left the room and came back a hour or so later pushed the volume a little more and let it play all night. Came back to the studio in the morning to silence "The batteries went dead on the delay". This delay will last for around 8 to 10 hrs usually with a single 9 volt. The speakers are still in the cabinet and still sound great. So the bottom line I guess is I think you'll find your sound once they're broke in. Steve C
Steve C
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| Re: Kustom Tuck and Roll 2x12 replacement speakers.. [message #21196 is a reply to message #21008] |
Sat, 16 August 2014 09:53 |
Jerrybass1955
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Registered: August 2014
Location: NC
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Not an authority on Kustom replacement speakers, but I have had great luck in my other amps using Weber Speakers. Call them up and tell them what you are looking for and I bet they can set you up with great sounding speakers at reasonable prices. They will even break them in for you for free.
www.tedweber.com
Jerry
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