Lead III Cab Ports [message #20194] |
Wed, 19 February 2014 20:32 ![Go to next message Go to next message](/FUDforum/theme/vk30/images/down.png) |
benn
Messages: 11 Registered: February 2013
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I was wondering what people's thoughts on the Lead III cabs and their ported rear panels are. What I've read about ported guitar cabs gives me the impression that I'd enjoy the bass-enhancing, pseudo-open back sound of a ported 4x12, but as I know these were sort of a budget model (or so I assume from their MDF construction), I am skeptical as to how functional the ports are. Are these cabs actually "tuned" for any particular frequency shaping, or are the ports just random/cosmetic? What can I expect? Also, everyone tells me cab construction is important for tone as well as durability. Can anyone comment on the build quality of these cabs? Thanks.
PS - Just had the thought that some of the port-slots could theoretically be plugged up to sort of custom tune it to whatever speakers I use (either G12-65s, G12T-75s, or Eminence Swamp Thangs).
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Re: Lead III Cab Ports [message #20225 is a reply to message #20194] |
Sat, 22 February 2014 07:57 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/FUDforum/theme/vk30/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](/FUDforum/theme/vk30/images/down.png) |
stevem
Messages: 4772 Registered: June 2004 Location: NY
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I do not know if you have ever played through a 4-12 cab, but with a 50 watt amp even with 4 drivers rated for only 94 db its loud, very loud!!
I would not concern yourself with over excursion of the Celestions unless you intend to drive them to over 75% of there rated wattage.
If they are used drivers with there suround and spiders well played and on the loose side then the excursion thing may be something to concider, other wise sleep well if you use them.
Wiring of the 4 drivers will have the greatest effect on tone other than the sound of the drivers thenselves.
The difference in the amount of Inductance between wiring in serise parallel to get 8 ohms, or wiring in parallel serise to get 8 ohms will make a big difference in the top end shine you get from the drivers.
I would try your chosen drivers wired each way to see what makes you smile.
Other than better drivers and wiring them to your liking the next greatest improvement you can get from a cabinet is to line it with sound obsorbtion material if it has none.
In regards to the loudness thing, if you are driving your cabinet with a tube than has different impeadance taps you should wire in a doubble pole doubble throw toggel switch so you can cut out 2 of the drivers and only have half of the SPL level on hand, you will also them have in effect whats called a detuned cabinet which is quite popular these days with some.
Mixing differenet drivers is also a great way to get to your sonic utopia.
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Re: Lead III Cab Ports [message #20227 is a reply to message #20194] |
Sat, 22 February 2014 12:24 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/FUDforum/theme/vk30/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](/FUDforum/theme/vk30/images/down.png) |
benn
Messages: 11 Registered: February 2013
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Hmm I hadn't thought much about wiring - I guess I just use series/parallel and forget about it. I was sunder the impression that it had a pretty subtle effect, but I'll give it a whirl. Thanks.
As for volume - I have indeed used lots 4x12s and, unfortunately, I play punk and metal in venues that never have PAs set up for anything but vocals (and the PAs used are generally under-powered). So the volume and spread of a 4x12 is needed, plus the visceral experience/full-body-vibration is something desired/enjoyed by those in the scene. Different strokes for different folks, ya know? I'm usually playing a 100 watt tube amp with the volume around 75%, so over-excursion is a concern, especially since the Celestions I have on hand are from the early to mid 1980s.
So the impression I'm getting is that at low-medium volumes I could take advantage of the ports regardless of what they're tuned to, but with older speakers at higher volumes it would be a rather extreme and unpredictable environment for them. Though I'm interested in ported cabs for the style of music I play, it sounds like if I want to play at high volumes, I should probably go for a speaker/cab combo that was tuned and designed to handle it. Thanks for all the advice!
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Re: Lead III Cab Ports [message #20229 is a reply to message #20194] |
Sun, 23 February 2014 07:24 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/FUDforum/theme/vk30/images/up.png) |
stevem
Messages: 4772 Registered: June 2004 Location: NY
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Due to the way the human ear responds to sound pressure level a 100 watt is not twice as loud as a 50 watt amp, but it does have twice the amount of clean head room before the output tubes start to distort.
To double the SPL level of a 50 watt amp you need to step up to a 500 watt amp, or a 100 watt needs to be a 1000 watt amp!
The best way to get more volume is with more speakers/ cabinets if you do not mine lugging the stuff around.
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