| K200 Bright Channel is ALIVE... [message #25477] |
Thu, 25 August 2016 20:19  |
gregp
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Registered: August 2016
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Well..... I replaced the PET 8002 after the input with a 2N3904..... while it DID bring the BRIGHT channel back to life, its clearly either not right or there are further issues.
The dead Bright channel now works, However,
It works best in the LOW input, the Bright input is weak and thin
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when you engage the BRIGHT Boost, the volume drops significantly.
Finally, there is also a lot of HISS, particularly the higher the TREBLE is turned up?
Any thoughts?
[Updated on: Thu, 25 August 2016 20:20] Report message to a moderator |
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| Re: K200 Bright Channel is ALIVE... [message #25479 is a reply to message #25477] |
Fri, 26 August 2016 06:44  |
stevem
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Registered: June 2004
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Has any other transistors look like they have been replaced?
There are 5 or 6 electrolytic type caps on that 203 board that I would replace with new non polarized types before you dive in with a meter and do voltage checks!
Also if you have anymore 2n3904 transistor , and since they are do cheap you might just shot gun Q205 and Q206 to see if that helps since that is the Boost circuit.
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| Re: K200 Bright Channel is ALIVE... [message #28744 is a reply to message #25477] |
Sun, 21 August 2022 07:55 |
stevem
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After q304 there are 3 electrolytic caps, not 2 that can effect that boost circuit.
Replace them all and confirm that all 3 are installed the right way.
What number transistor did you use to replace the factory ones,?
If you could provide some voltage readings on those two transistors in that circuit that would be helpful also.
[Updated on: Sun, 21 August 2022 07:57] Report message to a moderator |
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| Re: K200 Bright Channel is ALIVE... [message #28746 is a reply to message #28744] |
Sun, 21 August 2022 22:27 |
2beertom
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Registered: August 2022
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Hi,
Thanks for replying!
I had ECG123AP's on hand, put them in and the voltages are pretty close to the schematic.
I checked the DC voltages on Q300-Q307, everything is fairly close to whats on the schematic.
I changed many 10uf caps and one 33uf cap and still no joy with bright on.
My bench setup allows for a 1khz low level sine wave to be injected at the input jack, while an 8 ohm power resistor with distortion meter, audio voltmeter and scope monitor the output.
With the other channel of the scope on the center contact of the bright switch, with switch in off, I see a low level sine wave on both other contacts, one from the q305q306 circuit and the one Q304. Whats interesting is that when ti he put the bright switch to ON, both sine waves on those switch contacts drop in level by 25db!
For fun, I disconnected the center contact wire from the bright switch, the one that goes to Q307 and again scope the switch contacts....again interesting, the levels are 25db lower....what the heck! the circuit "need" to have that connection to work? I don't see any feedback loop...
Anyway, I pretty much stumped on this one, any insight would be really appreciated.
tom f
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| Re: K200 Bright Channel is ALIVE... [message #28747 is a reply to message #25477] |
Mon, 22 August 2022 19:08 |
chicagobill
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Registered: April 2003
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I noticed that the schematics are not available right now, so I'm going to give you a generic answer.
Clean the bright switch. In all of the preamps with the bright boost circuit, the switch is similar to that of an FX floor pedal. The circuit is bypassed in one position, and in circuit in the other position. If the switch gets oxidized, the signal can be cut off or reduced.
Spray a little deoxit into the small holes on the back of the switch and work the switch back and forth a few times and see if the signal comes back. If one application doesn't fix it, try a second and even a third application before you give up on it.
You can also try and bypass the switch with a jumper lead to see if the signal comes back.
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| Re: K200 Bright Channel is ALIVE... [message #28751 is a reply to message #25477] |
Wed, 24 August 2022 19:19 |
stevem
Messages: 4775
Registered: June 2004
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I would jump the output side of c340 to the output side of c319.
Does the audio still sound thin ?
Please note the proper installation of c314.
My schematic copy of 303 has no revision on it.
Over the weekend I will dig out my 200B that has a 303 channel and see what I can figure out/ turn up.
PS. Something just dawned on me here!
I went and looked at the PC 203 schematic which has what should be the same brite boost circuit built into it, and it's very different!
I wonder if one of the latter revisions that I don't have a schematic for corrects for what's not right on the earlier 303 boards, or maybe we are finding out that after all of these decades none of the 303 boards ever worked right, woundn't that be something!!
[Updated on: Wed, 24 August 2022 19:33] Report message to a moderator |
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