| Roy Buchannon sound with a Kustom [message #20905] |
Wed, 09 July 2014 12:49  |
vintagefan
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Location: Dallas
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Anybody familiar with Roy Buchannon or Danny Gatton's tele sounds? To get their treble tone they ran 1meg tone pots in their teles and cranked their amps up very loud for the clubs and venues they played. For playing in my tv/studio room, I never could get that tone from several Fenders, Line 6, Crate, or Peaveys because I can't crank the amp up loud enough without disturbing rhe rest of the house. And to my ear, eq pedals ruined amp's true nature of it 's identity sound. However with these Kustom K100C-8 4x10's volume turned to only 3(on a 1 to 10 scale) I can duplicate the sound and tone of Roy Buchannon's Vibrolux and Danny Gatton's Super Reverbs and Twins that they cranked up to get that tone.
http://youtu.be/7N9qTFiVWaw
Here's a video of Roy Buchannon. If you can watch closely you'll see Roy Buchannon's amp turned backward away from the audience. At 3:05 is a good shot of the amp. I think it's a Vibrolux or maybe a Super Reverb. I've read he used mostly Vibroluxes..........He maxxed his amp's volume out at 10 full volume which was too loud for the audience on the front row. Then he'd use his Telecaster's volume knob to turn down or up.....He would turn down and sometimes then would play steel swell licks using the volume knob to sustain the notes.
I also run a Danelectro delay into my Kustoms to get that particular sound at low volume...... Just sharing some tone observations.
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| Re: Roy Buchannon sound with a Kustom [message #20933 is a reply to message #20930] |
Sat, 12 July 2014 21:59  |
vintagefan
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I have several Fender American Teles, running 500k volume CTS pot, 1 meg CTS tone pot, no tone cap, run both pots full volume all the time.....Also have several Chinese tele copies...,I use the tele copies when playing out in public(dissapoints the thieves here in Dallas)..use the American teles here in my studio/tv room, I run American 52's pickups/may be called vintage now in everything, steel bridge, brass saddles, tusq nut, stock tuners(Kluson I think), Dean Markley .08's, .09's, or .10's.....I can get the Roy Buchannon, Danny Gatton, Roy Nichols sound at low volume(3 on scale of 1-10).....Over the last 45 years I've tried many combinations of everything including many amps, but this combination with these Kustom K100C-8 4x10's I find is best to my ear for playing at low volume...... playing out on gigs I use a Line 6 Spider II which gives that higher treble.... and since it's a cheap easily replaced amp, it dissapoints the thieves here in Dallas. I have owned numerous other amps; Fender Twin, Deluxe Reverb, Custom Vibrolux Reverb, Fender Cyber Twin, Fender Super Reverb, and a couple Peaveys.... I never got into modding amps because I've had techs screws the amps up when they tried; so I've learned to leave the amps stock....never quite got the bite, spank, crackle out of them like I do with these 1969 Kustom K100C-8 4x10's for low volume home studio playing. Without a doubt the Fender Cyber Twin is the worst amp on the planet, lifeless tone......I don't like eq pedals as to me they seem to lose the guitar & amps identity sound.....but then I like also like analog, not digital........ If I were in a higher income bracket I'd get 60's Vibrolux and 50's original Fender tele..... But then to get that tone I'd still have to crank up.
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| Re: Roy Buchannon sound with a Kustom [message #20934 is a reply to message #20933] |
Sun, 13 July 2014 01:48 |
Kustom_Bart
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Registered: October 2010
Location: Greenville, MichiGUN
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That is the beauty of the Kustoms is they are CLEAN and will take any kind of effect that you throw at them or any kind of guitar and make them truly sound how they are supposed to sound. I can give you a suggestion or two on what you may try if you want to add to the tone circuit if you want to and it will allow you to use the tone pots and not lose any volume when you turn the tone pots down. Also, I would suggest going to a 1000k volume pot. The 1000k volume pot is what they did in the early 80's in all of the Charvel and Jackson guitars that had no tone pots, basically you have no tone pots by not having a tone cap in the circuit anyway. This will make it more trebly. I wouldn't be afraid to add a tone cap and bleed to make it not lose volume as you use the tone pot. You never know when you may want to use it.
I am not a big fan of the digital either and love analog too. All of my recording gear is still as analog as I can stay without using a computer...lol! I have played the tube amp mod game and moded them myself and it just gets old after a while. I love tube tine, but when I can make a Marshall stack cry (they are so directional) with a 25 watt Kustom single 12 K50 and it fills the entire room...it is just funny and I can carry my entire set up in one trip from the truck...lol!
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| Re: Roy Buchannon sound with a Kustom [message #20935 is a reply to message #20934] |
Sun, 13 July 2014 02:29 |
vintagefan
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Thanks for the info......I tried a 1meg volume pot with a 1meg tone pot back when I was running Fender tube amps and my sound seemed too thin losing the identity signature footprint sound of the tele sound......I like the identifiable tele sound..... I've had a Charvel, a Fender Jazzmaster, a Fender Jaguar, an Ibanez(don't remember the model), but then the tone had too much bright treble and to my ear lacked mids the tele has.....I only like the clean tele spank and quack sound........ also Kustoms are good to get good sustain with the vibrato..... and good for the reverb surf sound.....we primarily play clean blues, some SRV, 60's rock, CCR, Haggard. a little ZZ Top, except we play it clean for the over 50 crowd..... When we play out at a an overnight travel to a private gig I only use a Line 6 Spider II 2x12 and and Chinese tele copies I drop Fender vintage 52's in because when it's stolen it 's not a big $ replacement. Thieves are everywhere in Dallas/Ft. Worth....I'm not a digital fan and I've thought about getting a big 200 Kustom rig, but I've had stuff stolen 3 times from our trailer at motels after a gig.....So I leave my Kustom stuff in my studio.....
I play the teles with the pickup switch in the center position using both pickups. I lower the neck pickup and raise the bridge pickup some to get the right blend of tone I'm after. I also have a couple teles with blender pots instead of a pickup switch.
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| Re: Roy Buchannon sound with a Kustom [message #20942 is a reply to message #20939] |
Sun, 13 July 2014 20:17 |
pleat
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Registered: June 2004
Location: Belding, Mi
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http://www.kustomcollector.com/index.html is the site that has a lot of photo's from our past conventions. It has some photo's of the redhead you mentioned. We've did Nashville in 2000, Indy in 2001, Arlington in 2004 Chanute in 2009 and 2010, a small one in Indy in 2011 and 2012 back in Chanute. This year, we're heading to Terry Stout in Forest, Va. August 8-9-10 Home of the largest kustom collection I'd guess in the world. So far we have collectors from OK. Chicago, Indy, GA. SC. MI. MN. and I'm sure I've left some collectors out.
On the site listed click on Fellow Kustom Collectors tab and scroll down the Terry's collection. Some really nice amps and the photo's don't show all he gotten since those photo's were taken.
I also went back and watched the video and I think it is a Twin Reverb that Roy is playing, the back does show a two speaker configuration.
pleat
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| Re: Roy Buchannon sound with a Kustom [message #20946 is a reply to message #20945] |
Mon, 14 July 2014 03:17 |
Kustom_Bart
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I do have three 8 x 10 pics of Cream playing at a music store in Wisconsin and Clapton is sitting on top of a K200 and 2 x 15 cab. I got them from Bud's first wife Carolyn. I think I have a digital copy of the ZZ top pic that Pleat is talking about of ZZ Top somewhere too.
Also Clapton is playing his SG "the fool" guitar if I recall.
If they are ripping off that much stuff down there you need to carry a bigger gun, people get shot for less up here LOL!
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| Re: Roy Buchannon sound with a Kustom [message #20949 is a reply to message #20946] |
Mon, 14 July 2014 11:17 |
vintagefan
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Very cool about the pictures.... I've seen the ZZ Top pic when they looked like kids.
Yes, thieves do steal anything in sight down here in Texas. The cops tell me some thieves they observed on a security camera stealing stuff in parking lots drive up in a stolen van, hop out with sunglasses, ball cap pulled down over their front face so they can't be id'd.....then they use saws to rip a side out of trailers, grab the PA, amps, and guitars and are gone in 2 minutes. Later the stolen van is found abandoned. The guy who mows my yard said he was at Home Depot. When he came out, thieves had cut the metal cage on his trailer that he locks his yard tools up in and everything was gone, 3 mowers, blowers, weed eaters, everything. Home Depot 's security cameras showed the thieves tag # on their van, but it was stolen and later abandoned. Thieves use saws to cut thru the side of houses too so the alarm won't go off. And when they find dogs at the resident, they 've been known to shoot them. The thieves venture into medium income and upper income supposedly safer neighborhoods and it's believed they case the houses out first. Possibly even follow band members home from gigs to see where the instruments and amps are stored. And then they learn when nobody is home.,Everybody in Texas has guns, but so do the thieves.........Last time I got ripped off was at a restaurant at 5pm in broad daylight a few years ago on the way to do a dance. Came out of the restaurant and the side of the trailer was cut open like a sardine can.
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| Re: Roy Buchannon sound with a Kustom [message #20951 is a reply to message #20905] |
Mon, 14 July 2014 12:35 |
chicagobill
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Tommy James played for a friend's prom back in the day. Rotary Connection opened for them. Both bands used full Kustom backlines. It must have looked like a trade show booth or one of the collector get-togethers!
Here in Chicago, every touring band is warned about the thieves that do nothing but follow equipment vans around, waiting for the 10 minutes to rip off all of the equipment. I guess Zack Wylde had a guitar stolen here from his tour bus recently.
Your stuff just isn't safe anywhere anymore.
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