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| Re: eminence BassLite series -- and other lightweight 10 inch bass spkrs [message #7943 is a reply to message #7454] |
Mon, 25 December 2006 13:23   |
LesS
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Registered: December 2002
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Here are my favorite 10 inch bass speakers, in order:
DeltaLite II ………BassLiteS2010…BassLiteCA2010..BassliteCH2010 …Madison Knight
FS 53 hz ………………FS 46 hz ………FS 51Hz.......... FS 58 Hz ………FS 59 Hz
Xmax 4.2mm …………4.0mm…………3.5mm.............3.5mm …………6.35 mm
97.3 dB …………………96.2 dB ………93.5 dB..........96.7 dB …………96.0
300w……………………150w……………150w.............150w ……………250w
4.6 lbs ……………………3.5 lbs …………3.6 lbs..........3.6 lbs …………~8 lbs
$106shipped…………$62shipped…$82 shipped.......$80shipped.... $40shipped
Cast frame ………………Steel………Cast fr/alum cone...Cast frame …Cast frame
Best for:
high spl...............vented cab........sealed cab.......high spl..........bang for the buck
recommended enclosure volume:
.6-1.4 CF……………….7-1.8 CF ……… .8-1.9 CF……… .6-1.8 CF - for vented enclosures
.45-.6 CF………………(not rec) ……… .6-.8 CF…………(not rec) - for sealed enclosures
If I had to choose between just two, it would be these two:
BassLite S2010.........BassLite CA2010
FS 46 hz ....................FS 51Hz
Xmax 4.0mm................3.5mm
96.2 dB ....................93.5 dB
150w.......................150w
3.5 lbs .......................3.6 lbs
$62shipped.................$82 shipped
Steel frame.................Cast frame/alum cone
Best for:
vented cab...............sealed cab
Comparison of sensitivity at specific frequencies:
Freq……DeltaLite…S2010…CA2010…CH2010
200 Hz…96…………94.5………93…………95.5
300 Hz…95.5………95…………92.5………95
400 Hz…97…………96.5………94…………96.5
500 Hz…96…………95…………94.5………95
600 Hz…96…………93.5………95…………96.5
2k Hz……101.5……93.5………92…………102
5k Hz……90…………85…………93…………90
The DeltaLite II is a great bass speaker if you are using a Kustom amp due to its efficiency, but it is a lot of money.
If you compare the frequency response chart of the DeltaLite and BassLite 10”, the DeltaLite is 1 to 2 dB more efficient in the lower range (100 Hz to 1,000Hz)
(I have a 2x12 cab with two 12” BassLites and I am putting two S2010 BassLites in my Krossroad cabinet.)
The Basslite CA2010 is best for sealed cabinets; it has an aluminum cone - it looks like a Hartke speaker but is more heavy duty (2" voice coil, etc.) than most Hartke speakers.
The Basslite CH2010 is in between the first two models- personally I would just choose between the first two.
The Madison Knight is a great bass speaker. It does not have the high end of the Eminence so you might want to add a tweeter or, better still, a midrange driver. Madison does not get a lot a respect but this is a strong bass speaker for a low price. (I have Madison drivers in five different cabinets.)
Now - the important part.
Above is just my opinion, but the following was written by a respected speaker builder:
“Very unlikely that the Eminence 10” Deltas will help with the bottoming out problem. You're probably thinking that bottoming out is related to power handling, and that the higher power rating of Deltas will result in higher output. Wrong. Power handling has no relationship with bottoming out, that's a matter of the driver xmax. The xmax of the 10” Delta is only 1.6mm, and it has a high FS figure at 66 Hz, which makes it marginal at best for electric bass. I'd only use them for guitar. The Basslite S2010 has 4.0 mm xmax, so while it is rated at only half the power of the Delta it will actually take six times the wattage before bottoming out. It also has a 46Hz FS, which is bass friendly. If you think you really need more than 600 watts total power handling go with the Deltalite II 2510, but with 4.2 mm xmax the additional output it will give is almost too slight to measure.
In a low power situation the Basslite series tens outperform the Kappa Pro 10, and are half the price. The Deltalite II 2510 beats the Kappa Pro 10 hands down for electric bass, costs less and is a third the weight."
This refers to the 12’s: “The material that the magnet is made from has no bearing on the performance of the driver. However, the original Deltalite 2512s did not have very good specs overall. The Deltalite IIs are much better, but they still require a cabinet volume of at least 3 cubic feet each to get the most out of them. They also shoot their midrange at a very narrow angle, as do all 12s, so if they aren't aimed up towards your ears you'll have a hard time hearing them.”
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| Re: eminence BassLite series -- and other lightweight 15 inch bass spkrs [message #7972 is a reply to message #7943] |
Thu, 04 January 2007 23:02 |
LesS
Messages: 478
Registered: December 2002
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lightweight 15 inch bass speakers (BassLite, etc.)
I have to buy a 15 inch bass speaker, so I have been looking into them.
These are some of the best 15 inch bass speakers on the market:
KappaLite3015LF……DeltaLite II ……BassLiteC2515
FS 42 Hz………………FS 42 Hz ………… FS 38 Hz
Xmax 9.6mm…………… 4.8mm ………… 4.5mm
99.8 dB ………………… 99.2 dB…………… 98.0 dB
450w…………………… 300w………………… 300w
8.6 lbs………………… 5.7 lbs ………………… 5.7 lbs
$158 shipped……… $125 shipped…… $91 shipped
Cast frame……………Cast frame ……… Cast frame
recommended enclosure volume:
3.6-6.8 CF……………1.8-4.2 CF ……… 3-4.2 CF - for vented enclosures
(not rec)………………1.5-1.7 CF ……… 1.6-2.9 CF - for sealed enclosures
8 ohms(5.3dc)……8 ohms(5.3dc)…… 4 ohms(3.7dc)
6.5 ohms………………6.1 ohms…………… 4.25 ohms minimum actual impedance per chart
Factory spec for sensitivity is an average across the usable frequency range (coincidentally, is about the same number as the 600 Hz sensitivity). When you look at specific frequencies (instead of an average of all frequencies), on some the KappaLite is better, on others the DeltaLite is better.
Frequency…KappaLite 3015LF …DeltaLite…….BassLite
200 Hz …………98.5dB……………………97.5……………97……...3015LF wins
500 Hz …………98.5dB…………………… 99………………98……...DeltaLite wins
600 Hz …………99.8dB…………………… 99.2……………98……...3015LF wins
2,000 Hz ………98dB……………………… 102………………97……...DeltaLite wins
3,000 Hz ………90dB……………………… 97.5……………90……...DeltaLite wins
These are small differences, more important to a bass player using a low powered amplifer that would not have much headroom (such as K200). With more power you could do some small EQ adjustments to compensate for these differences without giving up much headroom.
3015LF - Needs Midrange driver over 1,400 Hz
DeltaLite - Needs Midrange/tweeter over 2,600 Hz
BassLite - Needs Midrange/tweeter over 2,000 Hz
This brings up a good point for any bass player using 15 inch speakers - if you want your bass sound to be closer to high-fi, then you need a midrange driver.
[Updated on: Thu, 11 January 2007 08:43] Report message to a moderator |
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| Re: eminence basslite series [message #7973 is a reply to message #7446] |
Fri, 05 January 2007 07:24 |
stevem
Messages: 4775
Registered: June 2004
Location: NY
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Well may be not so, if you where playing a 200 cycle bass tone thru the driver and the amp was delivering enough wattage to hit the drivers stated SPL rating, if you than raised the tone one octive higher the amp would have another 3 db of output to kick with and narrow that SPL difference.
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